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| Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 01:16 pm |
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http://www.cafelib.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2674853:BlogPost:195350&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_post President Samuel K. Doe Did Not Kill President William R. Tolbert Posted by S. Weah on February 19, 2011 at 10:30pm Send Message View S. Weah's blog . The Coup d’Etat of 1980 Had NOTHING to Do With the 1979 Rice Riots. 04/26/2010 – Ijoma Robert Flemister, irflem@msn.com The Coup d’état of 1980 was the result of failed negotiations between the United States/NATO and the group of African leaders (Ahmed Sekou Toure of Guinea, Leopold Sedar Senghor of Senegal and William Richard Tolbert of Liberia) who has sought a trade accommodation/ agreement with the United States for an Executive Chairman of the OAU to manage Africa’s natural resources and commodities via commodity cartels. Throughout 1978-1979 there were extensive planning and discussions around the then Uruguay Round of GATT, which involved President Tolbert taking the lead in the discussions. In 1979 there was a high level and quiet conference of Africa’s Finance Ministers convened at Ducor Hotel to establish Africa’s position on the intricacies of the commodity cartels. President Tolbert assigned me to observe the deliberations of the conference. Note that the main reason for USA President Jimmy Carter’s visit to Nigera and then subquently to Liberia was to hold face-to-face talks with the leaders of Nigeria and Liberia. I was on the official high level Liberian delegation that sat with President Tolbert during the discussion with President Carter. The details submitted by President Carter involved a cash allotment to Liberia (President Tolbert??) of 100 million USD, Liberia granting military base rights in Grand Gedeh, and the CIA command and control in Liberia be extended to also monitoring Libya’s and the Arab League’s activities in Africa. By January 1980, President Tolbert specifically said to me, “Ijoma, as long as I am President of Liberia and Chairman of the OAU they can not have a military base in West Africa.” But Presidents Tolbert, Senghor and Toure continued to insist on the implementation of the commodity cartels. So now, let’s analyze the results. (1) After the saga of the Arab Oil Embargo against the United States, there evolved a situation where the national security apparatus of the United States saw President Tolbert as a threat to the security of the United States. President Carter initialized security directives against President Tolbert and President Reagan subsequently implemented those directives. (2) It is clear that Liberians DID NOT carry out the assassination of President Tolbert. Remember what First Lady Victoria Tolbert recounted that there were white skinned men in masks who came into the Executive Mansion. (3) For the first two days after the Coup, the BTC Post Stockade was under the command of American English accent men. I was there. (4) Note that President Tolbert was due to visit Southern Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) on Monday, April 14, 1980 to codify the impending independence of that nation. President Tolbert had worked with Dr. Henry Kissinger on the detail of the independence. The USA had to act quickly to interrupt President Tolbert’s trip to Southern Rhodesia (Zimbabwe). If President Tolbert had been successful in the independence issues, he would have been untouchable – by British acceptance. Remember who all receive the Nobel Peace Prize regarding the independence of that nation that is still governed by President Mugabe. I sat in on the confidential negotiations held in the Executive Mansion in Monrovia, and also sat in on many of the meetings between President Tolbert and Dr Kissinger. (5) Note that President Senghor, who was President Tolbert’s Vice Chairman of the OAU, was forced to resign as President of Senegal within a year after the Liberian Coup. President Toure, was slated to be the first Executive Chair of the OAU, never became Chair of the OAU in spite of all the OAU preparations in Guinea. President Toure subsequently died at the Cleveland Heart Clinic in the USA. (6) Note that United States Secretary of State George Shultz subsequently initialized the CIA command and control operations in Liberia by visiting Liberia several times, confidentially, during the early days of the PRC. (7) Note that the United States had yet never had a southern Atlantic military base until the advent of AfriComm, which even now is managed from Stuttgart, Germany. I recently met in Columbus, Ohio with the AfriComm Operations Commander. Mr. Editor, the United States executed a PERFECT “Hidden Hands” operation in staging the background and action of the Liberia Coup d’état of 1980. The rest is history! Best regards, Ijoma Robert Flemister, irflem@msn.com
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 01:53 pm |
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Chachop wrote: http://www.cafelib.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2674853:BlogPost:195350&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_post So, was President Tolbert killed in order to stop the so-called plan from becoming successful? Where is the evident of such multilateral discussion centered on establishing a single commodity market for Africa? Are there living individuals beside you who can verify your claim? How serious a threat can an African commodity cartel be to US interest consideration that post colonial Africa has no history of operating such a sophisticated system? Did the US need a military base in Grand Gedeh to engage the primitive army in Libya? Are there not countries friendly to US interests that are closer to Libya than Liberia is?
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 02:28 pm |
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Zunu wrote: Chachop wrote:http://www.cafelib.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2674853:BlogPost:195350&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_post Babboo, based upon what the man is saying. I will say his version holds a lot of meat. I was told about this Grand Gedeh military base operation almost two decades ago by Tolbert's own Defense Minister who also told me that the president was a stupid man for refusing the deal. Why was a Grand Gedean chosen to lead the coup? He said Tolbert was oblivious of all the cold war destabilization operations going on all around because he was so hyped about his OAU chairmanship and spiritual beliefs. Even those of us in the progressive vanguard of the 70's did not expect Tolbert to fall because we were not even ready for power. We were only just pressing for reform. But the man was not politically practical. He did not play his cards rights like Tubman did. It is true he stood as a blockade to the security and economic interest of big powers. In the end he and the whole country paid dearly.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 02:38 pm |
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Oh Lawd. IJoma Lives! Insider to his throat enneh? This article tells me nothing about why the author believes SKD did not, and if he did not, who did, with proof to show. An AfricaOnline rebirth. cAlake, What do we not know or do Know?
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 02:52 pm |
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Zunu Registered Voter
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MOJA Militant wrote: Zunu wrote:Chachop wrote:http://www.cafelib.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2674853:BlogPost:195350&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_post If the alleged military base was that important to the US that lead to the assassination of President Tolbert, why than did the base not materialized 30 years after Tolbert? Trust me, Liberia is not that important to US national security.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 03:07 pm |
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Zunu wrote: MOJA Militant wrote Babboo, you need to listen to yourself. You used the key word 30 years after. My man try to be analytical small now. Let me ask you these questions to help you think:
Enough now. I think you got the word... ![[:D]](/chat_room/images/emoticons/icon_smile_big.gif){kind=icon} The conditions of geo-politics/global economics change in time my friend.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 03:40 pm |
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MOJA Militant wrote: Zunu wrote:MOJA Militant wrote I challenged a conjecture put forth by Mr. Ijoma Flemister. You came in supporting his claim without providing an iota of proof. Putting forth several unrelated questions does not establish proof of your claim. Now that the dynamic of geo politics has evaporated the evidence to support the claims, I too need give this topic a rest and go brush up on my readings on logic.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 03:49 pm |
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cAlake Registered Voter
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Zune, Do you care to be LOOPED? cAlake, Looping Friday
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 04:45 pm |
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Brothers and sisters of the soil, If anybody actually believe that a Master Sergeant mobilized the entire military to stage the Liberian coup than I suppose that person also believe that Taylor actually masterminded his prison escape from US prison. I was at the Centennial Pavilion the night of April 11, 1980. I saw the very unusual military escorts which included armor carrier and trucks loads of NOKOS. In the 70s I always attended functions at the Centennial Pavilion because my mother was the building Superintendent. I am convinced that Doe did not lead that coup. The most unfortunate part about the whole thing was big brother carried on the coup and then put the leadership into the hands of a knucklehead who knew didly squat. They allowed him to undercross Col Jerbo who was much trained and capable of leading a post military country. But they were not concerned about the future of Liberia. They actually believed that a semi-literate master sergeant and his friends would turn Liberia around. Well, the rest is history. The United States has the worst foreign policy in the world..Almost all of Africa instability can be pointed to them. Good day and Jesus Christ bless you brothers and sisters of the soil.
____________________     Your Favorite Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Preacherman *One Ph. D in Theology *One Ph.D in Debate *One Ph.D in Liberianology and Flomo Scrubbing *One PhD. in Chatroom Navigation |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 05:08 pm |
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Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Preacherman wrote: The United States has the worst foreign policy in the world..Almost all of Africa instability can be pointed to them. Everythin you say dah true, but the last part I can't agree wit you. The United States seeks its interests, dah true. But what about the part we play? Doe dah American man? Taylor was American man? Mobutu? Ellen Johnson Sirleaf? Ehn Tubman was a friend and ally of the US? Why Liberia was much better under him? Why they nah bother Houphuet Boigny? Africa's instability can be pointed not to US foreign policy, but to African greed, selfishness, tribalism and hatred. Dah US foreign policy weh can be killing and eating people? I wonder how Charles Taylor way taste in Palm Butter soup?
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 05:36 pm |
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So why you are rergo dem didnt eat tolbert? we kno yaw ate jarbo(sp) General Butt Naked wrote: Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Preacherman wrote:The United States has the worst foreign policy in the world..Almost all of Africa instability can be pointed to them.
____________________ Mephisto We can Put aside our Differences - Ellen Johnson Sirleaf |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 06:35 pm |
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My fellow Liberians, you all need to stop the display of ignorance and lies about what happened on April 12, 1980. There are people who were at the mansion that night that are still alive. I know three PRC members who took part in the coup that are alive. Maj. Gen. Jeffrey Gbatu is a cab driver in Charlotte, NC. Find him and you can get the true story. Maj. Joseph Tubman is still alive in Liberia. He lives in the Lakpazee/Mataldi area. Lt. Col. Jerry Friday Jewelly is still alive in Liberia. He lives in the Mataldi area as well. I met Maj. Tubman and Col Jewelly together with the late River Gee Representative Col Albert S. Toe at the home of Col Toe in Mataldi a few weeks before Col. Toe died. These guys have stories that could enlighten the Liberian people and maybe debunk the Flemister myth. When we met, I did not ask who killed Tolbert because I am convinced the soldiers did. I was only concerned about how they kept the planning secret before the night of the coup. First of all, the US will not kill Tolbert for the reasons given above and then put the country in the hands of a bunch of illiterates. There is no precedence for that anywhere around the world. Back to my meeting with them. Col. Jewelly explained that the coup was planned by Quionkpah and Weh-Sehn. Doe was not in the loop. It was so easy for them because all of them worked inn the Mansion. They knew when the president came in and when he left. Some guided the elevators and doorways while others guided the front gate entrances. They planned it in small groups near Soniwehn(sp)area. Harrison Pennoh, one of the youngest in the group (Nelson Toe was the youngest)did the killing with an army knife. (No wonder why Pennoh was crazy). It was the night before the coup that Quionkpah told his fellow plotters that I got one of my boys I want to bring in. He was talking about Samuel Doe. Doe then brought with him two of his kinsmen from Tuzon - Harrison Pennoh and Alfred Zeh. (Pennoh and Zeh were killed with Doe at the port on sept. 9, 1990) Interestingly, Col Jewelly told me that the coup was not about PPP or PAL or the folks that were in jail. They the soldiers were fighting for better living condition. There were coups all over the region, and they thought, geeze, we can do it too. The opportunity presented itself that April 12 morning, and they took advantage. So, lets try to find the people that were there so that we can record that peice of our history. They are dying off. If we don't now, we will be relying on lies, myths and manipulation of facts. Last edited on Fri Feb 25th, 2011 06:42 pm by Pupupa |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 06:40 pm |
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Pupupa, you always get aw dey true story dem .. Victoria tolbert was lying, eneh Pupupa wrote: My fellow Liberians, you all need to stop the display of ignorance and lies about what happened on April 12, 1980. There are people who were at the mansion that night that are still alive. I know three PRC members who took part in the coup that are alive.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 06:50 pm |
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Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Preacherman wrote: Brothers and sisters of the soil, Brother Preacherman: I was a member of the 100-member choir that sang at that program that night. I believe we were still down town hanging around when the coup was actually staged. When we heard the ''fire-cracker sound''....We got in the car and decided to go home. We were stopped at the Capitol Bypass...they told us for security reason, we had to turn around, go across the bridge, use free way, go via Paynesville, just to go on the Old Road. I went to bed and in an hour my buddy woke me up to tell me Tolbert is dead. I told him, he could go to jail for spreading lies because we were just at the Pavilion with Tolbert. Yes Preacherman...Tolbert was strangely ''escorted'' out of the Pavilion. They advised him not to go to Bentol, but to sleep in the Mansion that night. Tolbert lived in Bentol...he leaves Bental every morning, goes to work at the Mansion, and returns to Bentol every evening. But for some strange reason, they told him not to go to Bentol the night of April 11, 1980. I'm no experts...but it was strange...Tolbert's speech was weird and strange!! He looked dejected, distracted, and very, very sad that night....
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 06:58 pm |
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MomBassa Chief wrote: Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Preacherman wrote:Brothers and sisters of the soil, I bet the stories you are now recounting - the mood, the environment, Tolbert's demeanor, would not have been so vivid if the coup did not happen. Perhaps everything would have seemed so normal.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 08:38 pm |
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Pupupa wrote: My fellow Liberians, you all need to stop the display of ignorance and lies about what happened on April 12, 1980. There are people who were at the mansion that night that are still alive. I know three PRC members who took part in the coup that are alive. Either you're lying or your "Coup Plotter" are, and I will just leave it at that for not wanting to expose my real identity on CCL for now. Better yet, I will talk to you in private about some things to make you take a good look at the story you are putting out.![[:p]](/chat_room/images/emoticons/icon_smile_tongue.gif){kind=icon} Spare me Nigga......
____________________ My Culture or skin color is not my master, I am. "Life is for the strong, to be lived by the strong, if need be to be taken by the strong. The weak were put on earth to give pleasure to the strong." |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 08:55 pm |
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Amen-Yah wrote: Pupupa wrote:My fellow Liberians, you all need to stop the display of ignorance and lies about what happened on April 12, 1980. There are people who were at the mansion that night that are still alive. I know three PRC members who took part in the coup that are alive. Amen, If you cannot support your believe that I am lying or the surviving PRC members are lying, you should have saved yourself the posting. You do to your integrity a scholarly mistreatment, if you cannot support your arguement. Who are you for me or others on this forum to believe your statement, anyway? I was not there the night of April 12, 1980. I was 12 years old. My curousity led me to meet 3 fellows that were there. I only recounted what they told me. And you know why I believe them? They were there! Now, if you were there, or you can provide a counter-arguement from someone who was there to the story as I was told, we will then have a basis for an intellectual debate.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 08:58 pm |
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Pupupa wrote: Amen-Yah wrote:Pupupa wrote:My fellow Liberians, you all need to stop the display of ignorance and lies about what happened on April 12, 1980. There are people who were at the mansion that night that are still alive. I know three PRC members who took part in the coup that are alive. Okay...
____________________ My Culture or skin color is not my master, I am. "Life is for the strong, to be lived by the strong, if need be to be taken by the strong. The weak were put on earth to give pleasure to the strong." |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 09:33 pm |
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Pupupa wrote: Amen, But what about the counter argument from Victoria Tolbert, who was also there? And Nancy Doe? Tarloh Quiwonkpah. They said their husbands were only puppets placed in power AFTER Tolbert's assasination. Why would they lie?
____________________ NO SUCH THING AS "TOUGH." THERE'S TRAINED, AND UNTRAINED. WHICH ARE YOU? I'M TRAINED TO FVCK YOUR CAT! |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 09:37 pm |
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General Butt Naked wrote: Pupupa wrote:Ah mehn lea my friend, let him enjoy his 15 minutes in the sun.....Amen, You aint know, Pupupa lor act just like his name many days?
____________________ My Culture or skin color is not my master, I am. "Life is for the strong, to be lived by the strong, if need be to be taken by the strong. The weak were put on earth to give pleasure to the strong." |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 09:38 pm |
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Pupupa wrote: I bet the stories you are now recounting - the mood, the environment, Tolbert's demeanor, would not have been so vivid if the coup did not happen. Perhaps everything would have seemed so normal. Perhaps you have a point there....but after Tolbert's speech that night, everyone talked about how weird the whole thing was, even during the program. The wife of the then Providence Baptist church gave a Speech...if you know anyone who works at ELBC, try to get a copy of the program at the Pavilion that night. I believe Victoria Tolbert wrote that speech in her book ''Lift Them Up.'' Again, it was weird for soldiers to stop us down town, and tell us to turn around and detour back downtown to go via the Freeway just to get to Old Road. That was weird.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 11:07 pm |
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General Butt Naked wrote: Pupupa wrote:Amen, When did these good women make the statements you are talking about? During the PRC reign or after Doe died? Did they speak out after it was fashionable to blame the US after the Charles Taylor imposition? Please put these statements in context. Nancy Doe, wanting to excuse her husband's deeds, would say anything now in Liberia. Tarloh Quionkpah wanting to blame Ellen for her husband's death will also show up his innocence for what happened in 1980. Why would they call T Q "strong man?" Now that Tarloh is supporting Ellen, what water can any of her statements hold? As for Victoria Tolbert, did she tell anyone about "white people" killing her husband in 1980? When was her book written? If the US had done the job, and knew that the President's wife saw them, they would have killed her. Agian, the US would not put the country in the hands of a bunch of kids.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 26th, 2011 12:36 am |
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Folks. All of this is false. If the Grand Gedeh base denial was the reason for killing Tolbert, then how come the base was developed after Doe was installed. The urban legend still continues!!!! We know who took Tolbert out, and it wasn't Doe and 16 of his buddies. Last edited on Sat Feb 26th, 2011 12:36 am by Cynic ____________________ Do you know how much damage one ignorant person can do? ~Sgt. Waters~ (A Soldier Story, 1984) |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 26th, 2011 01:12 am |
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Pupupa wrote: General Butt Naked wrote:Pupupa wrote:Amen,
____________________ My Culture or skin color is not my master, I am. "Life is for the strong, to be lived by the strong, if need be to be taken by the strong. The weak were put on earth to give pleasure to the strong." |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 26th, 2011 01:19 am |
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Amen-Yah wrote: Pupupa wrote:General Butt Naked wrote:Pupupa wrote:Amen, WOW!!!!!!! SMDH!!!!! ![[V]](/chat_room/images/emoticons/icon_smile_disapprove.gif){kind=icon}
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